Amidst preparations for Sunday evenings, thinking about 'witness' and recognising the early church faced challenges in listening to the Spirit and in learning how to be the church in places and yet the expansion of the Gospel to places and peole as in Philippi, with its cuious, diverse mix of epeople suddenly as God's family as witness there. Anyway, the question of how these thngs concern us even today led me to recall this story that inspires and challenges.

Williamsburg Christian Church asked a challenging question: ‘If the church were to shut its doors would the community notice?’ In their initial response to the challenge, they wore themselves out with endeavours and new programmes. In this interview with Alan Roxburgh, Fred Liggin recalls that seven years ago, when he took up the role as pastor, the church took up a new approach, beginning with listening practices among the elders and then the congregation.